The discussion started about critiquing and or constructively (“this mod sucks” is obviously neither constructive nor productive) criticizing free modules, and as to whether this should be welcome on this forum. Both sides of the argument were completely valid and not without merit, leaving a very amusing and resilient @Squinky.Labs in the middle of the whole thing, more than happy to be there[cheers, squink]. The question turned towards the value of empirical and subjective criticism and dropped a quote by Pisarev, a Russian Nihilist - I could have quoted Mucha or Picasso on aesthetics- because while it was a ridiculous quote, from a rather loud, ridiculous and short lived radical political school, it happened to be rather poignant. The thread never started to become or turned religious, nor did I or any other member of the community espouse any political beliefs, radical or not.
Regrettably, however, I had previously referred to the manipulation of waves as “spiritual” (as in feeling a connection to the universe, or in this case, it’s building blocks) and was only trying to clarify that I meant this from a humanist “atheist” point of view.
Looking back, the here unnamed member who replied with christian rhetoric, was just trying to say out loud that he was christian, and that he was happy to be just that and maybe I was guilty of a similar offense, when I (once again regrettably) replied with a harsh letter, condemning all religions as equally false and dangerous, blah blah blah which I recognize to be anti-theist rhetoric. I am now apologizing for this behavior, but I don’t see how else one can responsibly respond (which is why I shouldn’t have), when a space thought to be safe from religion is shown not to be.
After the post was removed, as I have only recently learned about from a censor who made sure to comment on how lucky I was not to be sanctioned and how I had been warned; I can only imagine this was my warning, as I was just first hearing about it in the third person. I suppose it seemed to be, and was unfair to our christian friend that he was never able to respond to my apparently intolerable and offensive letter (that he didn’t find offensive) which is why he followed my comments to a long valuable thread that I had started on trying new modules. This valuable thread has now itself been censored, because the gentleman that I feel was rudely referred to as a zealot, and my new hero and comrade in arms, @sotraphuka got into an important but futile, and heated discussion about morals, ethics and etiquette (I don’t know who you are, but you’re awesome, mate).
So it’s clear, I do feel lucky. I am lucky to be a member of VCV community, where some truly brilliant minds come together to discuss their brilliant and free contributions to something they truly believe in. I am luckier still however, after attending Sacred Heart in Brooklyn, NY as a child, not to be one of the children raped by Father John Abrams in the “box seats,” as out of the three friends I grew up with that were, one took his life in 2009 and the other is serving a life sentence. Yes, this is my baggage (and statistically at least a couple other folks on here), and I recognize that, but as such, to say nothing of the dangers of religion when it’s brought up makes me feel part of the problem.
So I suppose what it comes down to, is whether VCV Community is the place to discuss politics, morality, and religion, because either it is or it isn’t, and while I was “warned” and my anti-theist(I prefer this term over atheist, as one implies I know there is no god, while the other simply states that whether there is or isn’t, all religions are a bad idea as they often lead to situations like the aforementioned if not worse) letter censored (by a censor named after St. Valentin), I am still able to read those posted by the gentleman with an opposing (some might say offensive or intolerable, but still christian) point of view.
I know this is not the States, and there is no 1st amendment to uphold, and this is certainly not some SocMed platform or rather soapbox for members to stand on, spewing whatever poison comes to mind, and I am happy to keep my discussions simply to modules and patches, if there is a rule saying that to be a member one has to do so, but with the state of the world today is that what anyone really wants? Haven’t mouths been shut to long about too many things? Drive far enough south in this country and there are white men on horseback with shotguns watching black prisoners clear brush. We have the death penalty still, and with the death of RBG it’s going to stick around and women may lose reproductive rights (all of that we have to thank religion for, well not the death of RBG of course). When I lived in Belfast there were other problems, and thanks to brexit they will soon return, but they all have the same roots… VCV is brilliant people making noise and beautiful music; I can’t think of anything that could put up a better fight against the world’s injustices and prejudices.
But, it’s not my community, and as I feel lucky and grateful to be a member, I will stay in my lane and keep my mouth shut if what I am saying breaks rules, just please be clear exactly what those are, and exactly what I can and can’t say so that I don’t say anything “intolerable.”