also, i noticed today morphing with a very slow LFO also produces quite jumpy/steppy results from each wavetable, when you go slowly the morphing isn’t that smooth. perhaps there could be some sort of mod where you can keep the legacy version intact as it currently is, or switch to a smoother mode. i really wish i could use this module as a super slow LFO, or morph thru it slowly, etc…if i don’t use it at audio rate, the waveshape’s low resolution starts to show.
perhaps this is moot now, if the cloud terrarium or the e370 are actually going to exist eventually in VCV rack, i’d hope those are smoother. @Vortico would you happen to know if these newer wavetable synth tech VCV modules will be smoother resolution?
i like the phase shift mode of the e350 for quadrature. i have some patches where i use the vcv one… but the synthtec is just nicer for my needs, the xy z morph is nice. i own the hardware one, i like using the clone
Would you be able to make a direct comparison of the E350 plugin and the hardware? In principle, they are using the same wave tables and a direct translation of the original firmware. Possibly, the hardware had some additional analog filtering (which should not affect the LFO mode a lot, though). It is, of course, also possible that there is a bug in the plugin which needs to be sorted out.
The E352 uses 16bit wavetables, but a similar interpolation. The output is smoother, but not perfect. On the other hand, the E352 also has fixed waveforms (Sine, Tri, Saw and Square) which are not derived from the wavetable interpolation and which are even smoother.
the hardware one acts the same at super low frequencies too, i was just hoping in the virtual realm that would be “fixed,” or hopefully an option to do legacy or modern?
Thanks for confirming. I am relieved there is no bug in the code. It would be difficult to ‘fix’ that behaviour, as the raw material of the wave tables is only 8 bit. Also, the VCV port of these modules were deliberately as close to the hardware as possible. As said before, the upcoming E352 will have dedicated basic waveforms which are not derived from the wavetables, even thouth in this and the E370 the wavetable are now 16bit, compared to the 8bit in the E350.
ok cool, so does 16bit tables mean if i use it as a very slow LFO with 1 minute cycles, i wont see steps and it will just smoothly glide along? (unless of course the wave table is designed for steps, so lets say a wavetable of a circle)
I would say so. To be honest, I can’t find any audible glitches even with the E350 used as slow LFO. What kind of patching did you do to hear this effect (other than the visual example you gave)?
the module is unusable in this context when used at super slow LFO rates, so i have a switch that goes to another module when i want to turn the e350 frequency way down, its annoying and limits what waveshapes i can use. i know theres tons of other options but synth tech is the best for my needs and i’d love to stick with it
I still fail to see any real-life applications where this is an audible limitation. When used as LFO, the interpolation does make it smooth. So far, only the example as oscillator-art with very low frequency showed some visual “glitches” (which do reproduce the behaviour of the hardware).
After quick checking, wanted to make as request about E340 (Cloud Gen), but sorry if this may be not exactly correct (or relevant) technically perhaps (?)
Simple example: with increase “Chaos BW” level - and then back to zero position, we can get some random interesting static atonal texture. But this is not saveable unfortunately - as after reopen project all voices like re-starting as i understand, that initialize voice placing and destroy achieved picture.
So, would be cool if (optionally at least) would be ability to preserve such “phase cluster” of voices inside, therefore loading with no restarting of voices position.
Or non sense ?
UPD Logically i can assume that this can solve with input for ChaosBW. But, why not add ability to save it “as is”, more convenience.
@vortico very curious about the e352 for VCV Rack now… rest in peace Paul.
I did bug him several months ago, and he said he would bug andrew, not sure if he did, anyway, just checking in, would be an absolute game changer for me to use e352
