VCV Code of Conduct

The only reasons I’m saying "moderators " in all of this, are that:

  • mods are under the direction of the project maintainer, and
  • the maintainer has acted in poor faith when executing his duties of moderation, by moderating away comments for petty/personal reasons (dissent/disagreement, where in his opinion nothing is being brought to the conversation), as well as for reasons whose principles break the covenant (“readability”, as described above and/or in the linked Facebook comment).
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Can you please define “positive member of the community”? The word “positive” is pretty loaded.

I read it in multiple potential ways:

  • “positivity”, always in agreement/nothing negative to say,
  • positive, as in “brings something to the community and doesn’t detract from/damage it”, or
  • positive, as read purely, wholly, and solely within the context of the Code of Conduct, where they abide by the letter and spirit of the code?
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Even if this true (i’m not on Facebook group so really can’t judge) , Andrew spends very little time here, and i’m sure he has better things to do than moderate the forum. I believe the mods are quite independent. I’ve been here for quite some time already, and i’ve never seen straigth out censorship, even when there were disagreements, and i don’t think it will start to happen :slight_smile: Also, all this rules were already there, so not much will change :wink:

I’d like to think, being an adult, we can take ownership of our own actions. If you have an issue with someone go talk to that person and sort it out like a responsible adult.

It just looks to me like you are using this discussion as ammunition to have a dig for a personal issue. That’s all I’m going to say.

In what way would, you personally, word such guidelines?

I agree totally but is there a things that I think that we shout take in count ,for not native English speakers, how to know when your language is not inclusive?

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I think we shouldn’t worry too much about this part… I don’t think anyone here would be triggered or mad if you said ‘‘dad’’ instead of parent or ‘‘wife’’ instead of partner etc… :wink:
As long as your posts are not rascist/homophobic/etc…etc… You will be fine :wink:
also don’t worry, most of us are not native English speakers (me included) :slight_smile:

VCVRack is not for everyone

From VCV’s mission statement :

“We believe that no human should be excluded from learning any musical instrument”

Tell me, who is it not for, if the mission statement says NO HUMAN SHOULD BE EXCLUDED ???

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Isoprenearmouredfilamentphobia is the fear of cables. Too many cables makes people with this uncomfortable. I guess Rack is not for them lol :rofl:

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or cable opacity 0% then :slight_smile:

You can do that, but that’s not how communities work and grow, and that’s not how you encourage people to become part of them. If someone’s behavior is troubling, it shouldn’t be me or you to having to go and “sort it out”.

I think that this conversation is starting to split into two separate (but not unrelated issues). The Code of Conduct is fine as a set of principles aimed at creating a welcoming environment (and I would say that this is something that is needed, given the mostly cis/straight/white/dude makeup of the modular community). I support that part of it, full stop.

That said, there is the second issue that Patman brings up, which focuses on how the Code gets enacted by moderators and leadership. It seems like this might need to be spelled out more transparently, as there are clearly different standards for what is an acceptable post on the facebook group versus the forum versus the github. Maybe this is a lost cause, because most people don’t read the rules anyway.

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Talk with your friends or acquaintencies who belong to minorities, and listen to them. For example, women or trans people working with technology, people of color, LGBTQ people.

In most cases, if your words aren’t inclusive in your native language, they won’t be inclusive in English either.

Examples of not inclusive language (happening a lot on this forum) that assumes we all are male:

  • “Hello guys”
  • “You’re the man!”
  • “Thanks dude!”

Inclusive alternatives would be:

  • “Hello people!” / “Hello folks!”
  • “You’re the best!” / “You’re awesome!”
  • “Thanks my friend!”
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The conversation was split from the first reply. The guidelines are for all members of the community including moderators and owners (which includes repo owners). The fact is what went on in the past should not be going on in any future posts since the date of guidelines being in place.

However what went on in the past should also not be brought up in future post since there was no guidelines in place to act upon any inconsistencies. How do the guidelines get enacted by moderators and leadership, if the guidelines are not followed by all members then that person should be reported as per the guidelines.

Instances of abusive, harassing, or otherwise unacceptable behavior may be reported by contacting the project team at [INSERT EMAIL ADDRESS]

in terms of community posts… It is pretty simple, there has not been a problem up until now and if there has been it has been one sided. If you want to call posts being deleted as censorship that is completely up to yourself! Perhaps any future posts any member of the community makes they can stop and think about how it might look from another person(s) perspective or what effect it might have on someone that you might be inclined to or not, of putting such a label on.

As an observer:

Is posting demoralising images a problem? Nobody needs to see this. Preventive measures should be taken to stop any controversial topics from taken place within the discussion.

Is posting a question to the community about your post being deleted? This is a problem, as per the first instance it promotes controversy which in turn will be the cause of any un-friendly conversations.

Is talking about some other community, in a way as a response to a controversial topic brought up in that community, saying how ‘their community sucks’ a problem or personally insulting a member of that community for your own specialised reasons a problem? Yes big time, it shows a lack of respect for that community and or person in that community which could damage this community.

Is spam to promote controversy an issue? Yes of course it is.

Can off topic posts be a problem? Yes they lead a discussion astray which might frustrate members.

By the way Facebook works like this: No individual post inside the original post can be reported to group admins, it is global. So there is no way to tell if a situation can arise inside the topic until it has happened, maybe some day there will be. If the original post is controversial it is guess work that it might cause issues. Some are more obvious than others but it is usually too late for the less obvious one and the conversation has to take place, it is then damage control.

I’m still looking into specific wordings, but in the meantime there does exist quite a few instances of CoCs online, which extend beyond merely parroting the entirety of the Contributor’s Covenant (for which the CC-BY License does not forbid adaptations in any manner, as long as attribution is given). The “Good Faith” clause just doesn’t go far enough in preventing conflicts of interest, bias, or in general maintaining a set of transparent “best practices” for those who can be seen as a voice (paid or unpaid) of VCV.

A major concern I have however, is that regardless of whatever I might set forth, and what energies I expend to do so (and please do keep in consideration that I am a disabled person with limited energy to expend, so the fact that I am investing so much into this means that I genuinely believe there to be major implications to all of this), that everything will be disregarded as “fluff”.

(Or “yeeted” as it were…)

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I’m kind of curious as to how much those of us that stream might be subject to this code of conduct?

Great sounds good. Your concerns should not out weigh any efforts you put in but if they do then that’s a choice only you can make.

Tesla was paid for work he did as an employee. Their falling out was when Edison promised the proceeds of a contract for arc lamps if he designed ones to fill a large space, which he then did, and Edison had cancelled the job some weeks later without bothering to mention it. This was the context for the infamous “You don’t understand our American humor” quote. Prior to that they did get along.

Are you using any of the communities moderated by VCV as the native platform for your streaming?

Maybe it’s just a language thing, but I must say your question sounds strange to me. It seems to imply you’d rather not follow the code of conduct unless that’s mandatory. Do you see the code of conduct as something that unfairly and heavily limits your freedom - rather than something that warrants common freedom to anybody?

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No, however it’s conceivable that I may post a link to my stream on this forum. I want to know whether the content of the stream is subject to the COC. That is all.

I haven’t bothered to read the code of conduct. I want to know whether I, and my streaming colleagues, should bother.

You are a representative of the VCV community while streaming content relative to it…