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Are you sure it isn’t just because you have your keyboard set to German? On my keyboard setting it to DE we have a Y key instead of a Z key.

From the 2.6.0 changelog: " * On non-QWERTY keyboards, use QWERTY key positions for key commands instead of letters."

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Indeed it’s a change in V 2.6.0 - here’s a screenshot from my Windows PC:

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Would be interesting why this change was made.

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From the 2.6.0 changelog: " * On non-QWERTY keyboards, use QWERTY key positions for key commands instead of letters."

Wait… Really? Does this really mean what I think it means?

On non-QWERTY keyboards, the shortcut KEY changes based on where the previously used key is supposed to be on a QWERTY keyboard? So in this case, if the shortcut was Ctrl+Z before, now the key changes to Ctrl+Y because Y happens to be positioned where Z is on a different keyboard?

I have never seen such a change (for such reasons), it will potentially collide with custom keyboard macros and similar, if the user has some custom hotkey scheme in place, and is using Ctrl + Y for something else. And what ever else keys happen to collide with different keyboards.

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I suggest you open a support case so that you can educate the VCV team directly about your experience and use cases.

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I am with you on this, please open a support ticket, this is not OK, and breaks decades of muscle memory, for what gain? I am slowly getting used to the fact the preset for grabbing a duplicate cable from an input was changed for no good reason, but this is in a completely different ballpark. It has always been Ctrl/Cmd-Z and Shift-Ctrl/Cmd-Z and so should always stay

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open a support case so that you can educate the VCV team directly about your experience and use cases

This is one of those “it is so obvious educating isn’t necessary” types of things :smile: … I mean, what “use cases” are there to discuss, even? Someone having a non-QWERTY keyboard, and then having the shortcut keys switched around? I think discussion on the forum should be enough for this one.

Control + Y has been “Redo” at least in Windows for years and years, by the way, heh. “Undo” suddenly switching places to the traditional Redo shortcut for some users is some sort of humorous.

Nope. The VCV team has repeatedly requested that reports formally be sent to support. Requests/discussions on the forum are frequently missed or ignored.

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Thanks, that’s good to know; in that case, I suggest someone who has a non-QWERTY keyboard and who has shortcuts mixed as a result opens an official support case about this one. I’ll open one about the current situation of VCV coupling mouse input to GUI frame rate, once I get down to doing that one :slight_smile: :+1:

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Are you on a German keyboard layout?

Are you also on a German keyboard layout? I guess that would explain it, although it’s weird.

Yes, I am on a German keyboard. French would also be weird.

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I would urge both of you to send an email to support@vcvrack.com and say that the change to keyboard handling in v2.6.0 has unintended consequences that cannot possibly be intended, and are very annoying. I’m pretty sure something would be done about that.

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I use dvorak and I have no idea what the implications for me would be :person_shrugging:

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But you are not going to share this solution, even though you have identified a problem affecting a large group of people?

I don’t think this or other threads should be deleted, but your tone is very strange. It seems that you want to complain more than you want to solve the problem.

But passive-aggressive negativity, calling yourself “Here the to be down talked user” in every post, and a defeatist attitude while blaming software author(s) of being “perfect people that are not interested”, is not the way to discuss matters like this. On the contrary, it might make it more difficult to solve actual issues, as the tone of the exchange is set like this from the start.

Leaving such antics aside, describing the problem, and in which way something seems to be working in an unwanted way, is the constructive way to go. Of course it’s okay to express dissatisfaction when encountering problems, but this edges into the realm of self-sabotage.

By labeling your messages with the “here to be down talked” thing (I’ve noticed this months and months ago already, maybe years(?), so your grudge seems to be of the longish sort), you can then brush off any comments like this one by going, “there, what did I tell you, down talked again.” It’s a passive-aggressive tactic and an intentional self-fulfilling prophecy that hinders actual problem solving.

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IF the way this works is how I currently understand it, your “Undo” would be something like… Ctrl+Q at the moment then? :stuck_out_tongue: