hello, i want to patch sequences with individual step length. but for now, i have no idea, how to patch it easily. until now i need a phasor->clock module for every step. for a 16step sequence 16 modules!! i 'm sure it could be patch more easily. but how??
any ideas welcome.
Karl.
Phasor individual step length.vcv (1.8 KB) and the picture
I would simplify this to a main sequencer and a modulation sequencer. You could use a Hetrick Phase Drive Sequencer with 16 steps and then send the same phasor to ADDR with one ASX expander giving you 16 synced CV steps to send to the width input of the Hetrick, then you have a synced arrangement that always cycles the same. But you could easily divide the phasor to the mod sequencer and make it longer with 2 more ASX and give it a longer cycle of modulation over the same note sequence( 16 notes with 32 steps mod), or you can use these tools to create other arrangements.
thank you for this, but i can not use his main sequencers, because i need a flexible start and length option, like the addr seq. here i can set start point and length and reverse clock. unfortunately this seems not possible with the phasor sequencers. so i need another idea.
thanks
perhaps i could manipulate the clock for addr seq?
But all this is possible and probably works far better with phasors. You can send the phasor thru a phase shifting tool, of which there are many in the Hetrick collection. I like phase octature and phase shifter, you can cause any step to be the step you begin on. Length is set by turning off steps, but then you generally get a different rate, but use the phasor clock to output a clock wnen needed so you don’t have to have a diff rate. Reverse is literally running the phasor backwards, available in phasor geometry. It’s all doable if you want it, but it is all about manipulating the phasor not the sequencer.
A single phase->clock should be all you need. To vary the step length, you vary the speed of the phasor; slower phase = longer steps. It has nothing to do with the width of the clock trigger, all that matters is when the next trigger is received
HetrickCV definitely has all the tools you need, it’s a very thorough plugin. But if you’re interested, I just released a module called the Scanning Clock Multiplier that’s designed to output varying length phasors (and triggers) based on ratios of a master clock. It would work well for the purposes of varying step lengths, on either traditional or phase-based sequencers.
I’ll also link the manual, because unfortunately I forgot to link it in the plugin.
hello, i’m not sure if all tools comes from @trickyflemming . as far as i understood him, it is difficult to change the length of one particular step AND let the overall length of all steps untouched. if you do not modify the main phasor, then the sequence will be longer or shorter. this is also a problem with his delay module unfortunately as far as i see. after the delay the phasor begins at 0. but the phasor should have the y-value of the step after the delay. e.g. delay two steps from sixteen. the the phasor should have the y-value of step three, not 1. i hope that it is a bit clearer.
Would something like this work?
Another option if you want to choose steps:
And a minimized option with just the sequencer:
yes thank you. i played with this a while ago, but i was not able to move the width knobs more than about 200% gate length. i want a bigger range like the dhe sequencers. actually i use a clock and rgate. but it is not optimal.
Am I right in thinking you want to have differing gate lengths per step but want to keep the sequence timing the same?
yes this will be one option i want to realize. the other will be that the whole sequence extends in time. in my patch i play with, this is the main phasor per voice. so the main phasor goes longer if i extend one gate length of a step.
Maybe this works when you modulate the phase instead of the step. When you slow down the phase it “stretches” the gate. So the other way around -which is a big advantage if phase driven sequencers: you do not have to use a perfect ramp but can experiment with any shape.
The gates can go to 100% step width, so you can set multiple gates in a row to full width to get longer steps, if that makes sense. Here I have two gates at 100% with the third gate being about 75% width, giving me a 275% width “step”.
For this, use the step value to modulate the main phasor instead of the gate width:
I’m having trouble following the issue, though. If these techniques don’t work, can you post a screenshot of the issue?
Thank you for the info. i have to investigate why it does not work here. in the next days i try to make a simple patch from here to show what i want and what does not work. perhaps it is a matter of my english. i am not a native speaker.
I really think he wants a fast way to get varying length sequences that all follow one tempo, so Euclidean basically.
So for varying gate length without adjusting timing, use a gate modifier and control the length of the gates with another sequencer. For varying the timing, control the driving phasor or LFO with another sequencer; this will change the amount of time spent on each step. To do both at once, you would need to use multiple sequencers driven by the same phasor.
hello, thank you for the idea. its almost working. here is my simplified and extracted patch to discuss what i mean. Ciani Patch Gate length.vcv (19.2 KB)
here is the explanation and problem: i can set the length of gates to more than 200 %. But how can i set the gate length for the first step to e.g 300%, the second step as is, the third for 200%? so that i have 16 step / gates with different length.
Karl
in other words: i want freely modulate the length of the notes provided by the addr-seq row a - row d with clock manipulation and without touching the addr-seq.
I think to achieve control over both step length and gate length, you need to use 3 phase driven sequencers, one for step length, one for gate length and one for the actual sequence all driven by the same phase generator like this (ignore what I said earlier about a gate modifier, I didn’t realise here was a width control on the sequencers:
In the above example, the first sequencer controls the step length. You can see the effect it has on the phase generator in the red trace on the scope. The second sequencer controls the gate length per step; see the yellow trace on the scope. he third sequencer is the actual sequence driving the kitchen sink.
The key to this is ensuring the 3 sequencers remain in sync.
Here’s a selection for the pictured patch PhasorStepAndGateLengthSequencing.vcvs (17.8 KB)
yes, i thought in the same direction last night. will check that next days and come back. thank you.
