How do you create with VCV Rack?

But how did he (or she) make this awesome stuff ? This is the question I often ask myself when faced with awesome patches. Actually, this question isn’t really about the technical aspect of using the rack, but rather the “intellectual” process that leads to the creation of the patch itself. Do you start from a “blank page,” with the goal of making a patch for the sake of making a patch, or do you already have an idea of ​​the structure or sonic result you want to achieve? Do you have any particular tips or “working” methods? Finally, how long does it take to perfect your patch?

As for me, as a beginner and with mediocre artistic creativity skills, I’m still at the stage of discovering the “technical” workings of the modules that seem interesting to me. But your answers will undoubtedly help me progress and will undoubtedly be useful to other beginners…

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Hello, i will try to explain my way with modular for you. perhaps it helps.

1,5 years ago i began to interest in modular and discovered vcv. about 35 years ago i owned a synthesiser and experiment with tapeloops. after reading introducings and infos about vcv i realized, that it is the modern way for me. i began to analyse beginner friendly patches and watch the cohen videos on yt a lot. after a while i found out, what i want to do with vcv. i mean i concentrate on things i want. my goal was to patch something like td did in a technical view, the structure. and i was overwhelmed from the cookbook of suzanne ciani and the extraordinary tutorials from pyer. until this moment i began to patch with phasors, cv-addressable ideas and all kind of cv per step like she does. today i optimized this in my own fiddeling patch to play this kind of music. also i use westcoast synthesis like sources, wavefolders, simple waveforms, lpg, karplus-like sounds, filterbank, frequency-shifter to play with. huge to learn!

so far good luck Karl

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For me a patch mostly start in one of these ways:

  • I want to try out a new module.
  • I want to investigate a particular technique.
  • I have a piece or fragment of music in my head that I want to try and put in a patch.

That mostly leads to one voice in the patch. I then build out around that with complementary voices to form a fuller piece, until I have something I find satisfying. But sometimes it’s just one voice and it’s great as it is. I try and get it done in a day, because after that the muse/inspiration of the patch has likely disappeared and I’m unlikely to finish it.

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I mostly fling shit at the wall and see what sticks. See what patterns and sounds might emerge that I like enough and which fuel inspiration to go from there until there’s nothing meaningful left to add (or to add for the time being). Sometimes, the starting point is a new module I want to try out - or to better understand a complex module - sometimes it’s a compositional idea I might have, other times a technical one. Or just: nothing - “Hey, let’s make a patch today”. The cases in which I open VCV with a result in my head and then arrive there as well are exceedingly rare.

[edit] That being said, I believe that I have started to notice certain themes and qualities in my shit flinging pattern finding endeavours, ones that I like more than others, so I try to be conscious about those, as far as I’m able to. [/edit]

And, it’s usually done within one day, maybe giving it a few spins and doing the final recording on the next day.

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One word, “Experiment”! Let your imagination run wild, break all the rules.

And as for:

It will never be perfect, but at some point it will be abandoned.

Have fun :grinning:

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…and a new idea forces the patch to repatch. :grin: that is modular.

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Very recognizeable. Adding to that:

Under a broad definition of music being some intended ordering of sounds over time, I am more into the sound (spectrum) aspect then the ordering in time (notes/bars) aspect.

Mostly fascinated by the interaction between sound and emotion and the paradoxical relation between the ‘objective’ physics/math aspects versus the ‘subjective’ perception/emotion aspects.

Though I can appreciate many genres of music, I generally tend to end up creating sparse minimalistic pieces myself.

Coming from the more deterministic and pre-wired sequencer+hardware, and later on DAW/plugins…

The modular environment does away with many ‘limitations’ and ‘rules’ and ‘prefab’ and more or less forces you to go back to the basics and create complexity from simplicity. All this while managing levels of complexity and predictability.

So, the main challenge is…mastering the complexity. So many variables…so many permutations…

It’s like any creative art: the more you master techniques, the fuller your toolbox and the better you will be able to realize any idea you might have using the tools available.

So, mostly I’m focussed on sound / synthesis / techniques / spectral aspects and using algorithmic/generative aspects to create perpetually (self)playing soundscapes.

Many times creating patches is a one-go, one-time thing. Generally starting with a blank sheet (just a mixer and send-reverb) and some general idea/objective.

Generally I only revisit patches (generally just named number/date) to listen to (and sometimes tweak a little). Hardly ever do I record a ‘piece’ or ‘track’ to file/disk.

It’s generally very much about the journey and much less about the destination…

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I usually know what I am doing or trying to do, at least at a basic technical level. I am still occasionally baffled by polyphonic wiring, and by some of the more esoteric synthesis techniques. But I am far enough along to get the basics.

But I prefer to patch by ear, and intuitively. What would it sound like if I were to put a cable there–better or worse? What setting for this knob sounds best to me right now?

I am 90% focused on sound and 10% focused on technical matters. My attention to technique is driven by a sound I hear in my mind and am trying to render. Otherwise I just improvise.

My favorite game is to download other people’s patches and make them my own. Sometimes I can get my own sound out of the other guy’s patch with just a little wiggling. Other times, there is almost nothing left of the original patch when I am done.

My other favorite game is feedback. Let my modulation sources FM each other, just a tiny bit. Let my voices FM each other just a tiny bit. I like to use only one or two sources of modulation in a single patch, and to send them everywhere in the patch. Leave no CV hole unmodulated. The entire patch becomes less predictable and more like a living organism.

My patches are not that big–usually no bigger than one of Omri’s standard three-or-four-voice demos. But I can download one of his demos and easily spend three or four or more nights listening to it and modifying it and jamming with it.

The dialing-in process is far more important and enjoyable for me than the underlying construction. That’s why I often start with other people’s patches–the boring hooking-up-a-voice-and-plugging-it-into-a-mixer-and-reverb part is already done for me, and I can focus on the fun part: dialing in my sound.

The theoretical structure for my patches is the raga system. Everything is modal, based on a single scale. I always know what raga I am patching. If there are harmonies, they are usually incidental and always diatonic to the raga. I don’t create chord progressions (anymore–that was a previous life).

What I have not yet mastered is what Indian classical musicians call “development”. In ICM, all measures of intensity follow the same saw wave shape. There is one big saw wave, saying we start slow and build to a frenzy at the end. There may be some smaller episodic saw waves of intensity along the journey.

My patches might improvise endlessly, but most often the texture and range and intensity do not “develop”. The patch doesn’t go anywhere. The patch works fine as a sound environment, but it does not take you on a journey. One solution is the basic strategy we all use: bring voices in and out to create an arrangement.

But I think there is another way to patch development in, without sequencing. Instead, use a very slow phasor wave that describes the intensity profile of the arrangement, perhaps combined with comparators or slope detectors to trigger certain elements. Let this arrangement phasor modulate multiple aspects of the patch to create development at the patch level.

I understand technically how to do this in my mind, but have yet to accomplish it in practice. One conceptual challenge is that my melodic soloist voices are very dialed-in to a sweet spot. Sending in external CV from the arrangement phasor will throw the voice out of his sweet spot at certain points in the arrangement.

Honestly… it depends:

  • Some patches start with an idea for a piece or a song, I have a destination in mind for what I want to say, so I start with what I believe will get me there. Some stuff gets added, some removed, until, ideally, I get there.

  • Some start as tests for my modules: I want to know if they do what they’re supposed to, when they’re meant to… and ideas just hit me “Wouldn’t it be cool if…?”

  • Some begin as “How was that done?? Can I make something similar?” and, sometimes, those ideas lead to interesting directions.

  • Some times I have ideas for a sound, so I try to make it a reality.

  • As others have mentioned… some times I just want to try out new modules, and they, at times, lead to avenues like the ones mine lead: “It would be swell if now I added this or that sound”. :slight_smile:

My patches some times take weeks: real life can and does get in the way; I need to get where I wanted to be, so that takes time by itself, and, honestly, I have a bit of a perfectionist streak.

There are great videos out there both showing techniques and offering inspiration or the itch to recreate some unavailable module using what’s available.

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When first getting into vcv I tried to approach it by building out a master template set, I really wanted to replace going into max or ableton and wanted to have everything that I thought I would want setup and ready to be patched. Over time that set got chipped away at, some parsed to eurorack through the es9, others broken out into micro patches for the meta module and then some basic ideas remained which turned into a series of smaller template patches. Do I want to sequence mostly in vcv and go out the euro, template for that. Do I want to process and record audio from the euro, patch for that. Do I want to modulate the shit out of everythign in some kind of sequence… In each I have a small group of what I consider core or essentials, cv funk clock, cv funk envelopes, storemelder utils, mixmaster… Anyway I think the thing is to just use it as much as you can and you’ll find a workflow that works for you.

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Thank you for all these very informative responses that shed some light on the racketeering community. Beyond their usefulness, these contributions highlight the positive attitude and availability of all these experienced contributors who take the time to answer beginners’ questions. This is rather reassuring because this isn’t the case in some forums!

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Just to heap on more opinions, I love VCV rack!

My methods have definitely evolved over time and are still evolving. I am rather new to synth, modular, and this software, this is my entry into all those areas. But I have made music for 35 yrs before now, so about a solid year of digesting Omri Cohen sped up everything many times more than any other way I tried to learn. Just about 3-4 months into tinkering with the software, I had a friend pop up with an offer to rekindle a band we were in together just a couple years before. So of course, I said yes, as long as I can just do this funny VCV thing. Now 3 yrs later we (forceghost) have 3 EPs and are in the process of working up a full length album. At first I just made bass and drums with sequences and maybe an arpeggio and jammed a key sound with midi keys. I still do that a bit, but I def have started doing more exploratory patching. My best patches seem to just be about nothing, just messing around and something cool falls out. Or somwtimes I try to do a thing on purpose, these typical in about 80-90% of the cases kinda missing the original intention, but doing something serviceable for some new purpose, this can be fun or frustrating as the mood allows.

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There is certain music that you would be and you want know how were write o how the sound desing was made. This is when you love a centain type of electronic music that was a specific bpm. Take a reference in this order. Important is a template in a fix bpm and whit certains modules that with the time you know it very well, over this you will be add or less and test and test his variations, is write the great solo of your life the same riff that you love it. Every musician have his concerns, study so very much learn and play a real instrument helps very so much. Do not forget give a special atention to your mixbus is key “plugins vcv” a glue compresor, eq, tape, vumeter. Better if you have the host module helps very. Make it part of this fix template that evolutions in time. Regards

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I have a default patch with mixer, clock, recorder, so as soon as i connect signals, i can record.

I am focused mostly on sequencing and use 8face to capture all sequencers in the patch. Then i add sounds and more sequences and add creative fx to everything.

I record a live performance, switching sequences, twiddling knobs and using mutes to take sounds out and add them back.

In other words I’m doing what the Detroit Techno proders did in 1991.

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