Sorry Steve but I think that need more info in cv tools clock out just have 2 outs in ext out and blackhole has 16, I can not choose any other option. and I don’t know how I can choose the in the clock in the Impromptu module. I show you to pictures thankyou to much for the help
You should choose another mode in BPM input in clocked module. You can watch this video to understand the process - https://youtu.be/e5au-hkvnFA
You can also use Stellare Link module to synchronize ableton and vcv together, works great
I still can’t get a stable result with Stellare link) At least with Clocked module, especially with the last version
The trick is to use the BPM output
But this video explain the way to do in windows, but I have mac, I don’t have this asio
this kind of set up doesn’t works pretty well i think but thank you so much
What issue do you have with it ? it works perfect for me, even more reliable than using an audio clock which is what I used to do.
OK - here it is step by step in detail on Mac
- Create an aggregate device (Using Audi Midi Setup application) with built in output (or your interface if you have one) which you will use for monitoring and Blackhole which you will use for sending signals between Live and VCV. This gives a device with 18 outs and 16 ins
- In Live audio preferences, set your input device to Blackhole and your output device to your aggregated device (I called mine Built in + Blackhole)
- Configure your input settings - how you configure these is up to you - I set up the first 8 inputs as mono and the second 8 as stereo
- Configure your output settings - Here I have outputs 1&2 as stereo (for monitoring) and outputs 3&4 (which are for the clock and transport) as both mono and stereo (reason for that in a moment). You can configure more outputs here if you want to send other audio from Live to VCV for processing.
- In Live, create an audio track and add the CV Clock out device. Set is as below - 24ppqn and use External out 3 for Clock and External out 4 for the run trigger (this is why we need 3&4 as mono).
- Configure the track settings as below so that the clock device outputs to External Outs 3 & 4 (this is why we need outputs 3&4 as stereo too).
- In VCV, set Blackhole as your device in Audio-16 module. Connect the “From Device” jack 1 to the BPM input of Clocked. Set the 'From Device jack 2 to the Run input of Clocked.
- Click the Mode + button on Clocked until it says P24
That’s it - Live and VCV should be perfectly synced and VCV transport is controlled from Live.
Ouch great explication thank you so much Steve, I will try when I have a little time!!
sorry, I tried step by step and for me doesn’t work, It doesn’t arrive clock to vcv rack below I show you the pictures with the setup.
Hmm strange - all seems wired up correctly.
On your 1 Audio track, try changing Ext. In to “No Input”.
Are you sure VCV has permission to use the microphone? If it does not you will not get any incoming audio. Go to System Preferences > Security and Privacy > Privacy tab.
Select microphone in list on left. Make sure Rack is checked and allowed to access microphone. If it is already checked, uncheck it and check it again.
why are you using 1\2 cables ports in vcv while you have selected 3 and 4 outputs in ableton CV tools itself?
Because in Ableton he is using an aggregated output device of his built in audio (outputs 1+2 for monitoring) plus blackhole (outputs 3+4 for clock and transport). Outputs 3&4 are the first 2 Blackhole outputs.
In VCV he is just using the blackhole input device. So outputs 3+4 in Ableton are inputs 1+2 in VCV.
My money is on his issue being Rack microphone access.
you are the best !!! I got, thank you so much
Great - was Microphone access the problem?
Not sure why you keep removing your post about 7 bpm difference in tempo?
I can’t explain it though - for me tempo is perfectly aligned - if 90bpm in Live then also 90bpm in VCV.
Because I fixed it, it had different bit depth on both. but the problem i have now is that when i press play in ableton they are never synced, i set the ableton preferences latency but when i press start again it is out of sync again, how can i fix this problem?
When you say you set Ableton preferences latency - would do you mean exactly? I think there is only midi latency in preferences.
OK so I was expecting you to come back with this question about latency Didn’t want to confuse things too much at the start.
I generally use Silent Way sync rather than CV Tools clock and expected them to be about the same - but it seems CV Tools clock does give me a lot more latency than Silent Way for some reason… anyway - here is how you fix it…
You need to use the Ableton External Audio Effect module and place it BEFORE the CV Clock out.
Set Audio To > No Output
Set Audio from - whatever channels you are using to receive audio from VCV - I’m using 9/10
Set hardware latency amount such that they are in sync each time you stop/start - for me it is about 180ms which is A LOT. And this is with a block size of 128 samples in VCV and Live. I’ not sure why latency is so high but combination of CV Tools Clock, Blackhole and VCV Buffer I think…)
Here’s my audio going from VCV going out on 9 and 10
You could also use a midi track rather than an audio track for the clock, and use an External Instrument rather than external audio effect before it - this would allow you to send midi to VCV.
ok, i have silent way, can you explain me the setup with this plugin? are you using midi or audio? thank you so much