So you are running a sequence and everything sounds cool and on point. After a while you want to change up the patch (the sequence stays the same) so you flip the relation of relation of cutoff/resconance/vcf mod. Now the sequence doesnt run aswell with the new patch setting. The timing is slightly off. Sure you could experiment with gate, but in my opinion gate is sub-optimal since it just shortens or lengthen the window for sustain to occur. Start of the step and steplength more than 16th (if that is your setting) is out of reach for gate to affect.
How can we nudge the timing of the step on sequence or even better if possible to tap the timing?
Signal Delay can make a clock arrive later if that helps, it uses numerical input and can be very precise.
If this happens a lot think about using envelopes with a Delay stage like BOG DADSR+ and nudge timing of VCF or VCA movement like that possibly.
Or go phasor, which to me is fine, but just doesn’t feel as natural in my usual workflow. I am used to triggers and gates for timing and just think like that.
Would you be so kind to elaborate how you use the triggers and gate? Normally what i feel is the problem is that in a sequence i have som high pitch, middle pitch and low pitch note. And normally the high pitch need to be little snappier and shorter. Is there a way to only shorten the high pitch ones all with the same modulation? So i dont need to go in and change the gate for each step. Also when i change one or more step from high pitch to low oro vice versa then there will be hell to keep track of what step is what gate. How do you think for this?
The answer is in question I think. Pitch cv is voltage too, so use it through rescaler to modulate your envelope. High notes should have quicker attack, decay or release, so you would invert the cv and scale it to what the envelope likes range wise.
Yes with that one you can make the range from the pitch cv larger with the 10x multiplier in the right click, open enough to really modulate, then move its min/max to best suit your needs.
Alright, very curious to figure out how this works. Right now i am somewhat reluctant to use the computer and need to overcome this to get comfortable with the softare. Really excited about this. So is it possible with this to set like all low pitch long envelope, all high end short envelope? What would one do to get all high pitch to “delay” the start somewhat if previous step is low pitch wtih long envelope?
The first idea to me is to relate these 2 concepts, the pitch level or pitch voltage level will guide the envelope attack and decay. In fact lets keep this tidy and just use an attack decay envelope. So the pitch level will have a limited range if it is a typical melody or more far ranging if it is randomly generated, so you may need to expand it range with something like rescale. then this new scale control voltage will really be upside down, I need low voltage to make longer attack and decays and vice versa, so you can either invert the voltage coming from rescale or use the attenuverters on you envelope to use the voltage in the negative direction at the patch points, send this voltage to attack decay cv patch points and tinker with it to get the lengths to around what you like.
Like @cubistguitar said, V-Oct is just a voltage and should also be used in other places in the patch (like it is built in a lot of hardwired synthesizers, ie key tracking in the filter, in the enveloppes etc).
One with the Surge XT AD module that lets you map modulations amounts like you want it, in this case negative so that lower pitches get longer decays,
One with Nysthi’s 4 AD module that I use all the time, but needs rescaling before modulation input, in this case “Offset” is just multiplying instantaneous voltage by a factor of -0.1 more or less…
Thanks for joining in on this. Regarding above mentioned. For other reasons than timing (this time for sound design) I am curious to know what module can modulate not just the amount, but more the shape (curve) of the for instance cutoff, so exponential increase, decrease per step or linear and other shapes. not just a fixed amount. If you can please point me in a direction.
regarding the “everything is control voltage”. I sometimes think of that. and what more i am thinking is that; Does it allow then that one can use the same module for almost everything?
like thats finally when i reach enlightenment for the VCA =)
VCA means amount yes. Ok so something for amount, then we also need something like
the attenueverter/attenuator situation is also currently a death cross.
There you go, we can post this on crowdfunding already. We can call it something with VCA and attenuator.
I am sure some other module allow that but right now the solution I think of is to use uMap by Stoermelder to modulate Rampage’s shape.
uMap can take over control on any knobs, fader, button, that do not have a CV input.
It really is one of the few modules that open a new world of possibilities ! Check Transit also by the same coder.
Then I thought of Rampage for the envelope because I know it has a shspe mob and it is a really useful classic in both hardware and software, IMO.
In this stage that i am now i would rather have a module that i can test and get later as hardware. Something that can modulate CV in this fashion in picture as seen on left and right lower corner
I checked out the rampage just swiftly. I will check it again more in depth it looks very interesting. Where i am now is like i want to expand from semimodular into eurorack and start with with some utilities and these utilities i would want to get to know the dirt cheap ones. Like doepfer utilities or better still behringer utilities or even if there is something cheaper you guys now of?
For voices i have a 4 Volcas and a behringer crave and some pedals and there is SO MUCH value in these. Sure i dont get the last squeeze of “branded tambres” out of them as if they where Ericas, Moogs and Noise engineerings BUT when my budget stuff is pumping the blues scale all GAS just flushes out of my system like SNAP! So that is a satisfaction i want to hold on to for having a cheap rig and as for now i intend to keep it that way for the utilities also.
Would you be so kind to suggest something for this context then Tana?
Rides in the storm is a good brand that has cheap and really good modules. Their Quad envelope generator looks incredible for the price.
Dreadbox has a few good ones too.
Ladik is excellent and dirt cheap too.
Then you have stuff like ST Modular that you can DIY or buy built (check pusherman’s site).
Also a Behringer Neutron has a lot of utilities to offer and is hard to beat for the price ( mixers, attenuaters, s&h, lfo, envelopes, delay, distortion…)
I would take the time to experiment in vcv to make sure each type of utility is something I would actually use, but it is hard IME to get it right because even when something looks useful and fun it is not always the right choice once you have it in front of you, in the rack… Buying second hand lessen the blow in case you have to sell afterwards…
I got a DC-coupled with 8 cv outputs interface so i could experiment with the utilities, but as of now its really a high wall for me to get it to run and get comfortable infront of the computer even just with vcv rack alone so i need to struggle somewhat with that.
