Nice!!!
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I have been attempting to use both Stoermelder midi-cat (dev build) and Studio Six Plus One Zilah with Behringer BCR2000 which I edit with mountainutilities.eu
for some reason which eludes me both modules pick up the controller as cc6 which then does work as 14 bit controller but when I try to assign other controllers with different nrpn address (cc99=22 in this case) they are also picked up as cc6 .(or as cc98 which is no good…)
what kind of message do both modules expect to be able to assign different nrpn addresses to different knobs and have them picked up like so ?
it may have been mentioned earlier in the thread but in a way too arcane for me .
I can only speak for Zilah, @stoermelder may have handled the case differently. The MIDI 1.0 spec allows for 14bit controllers, these are on cc-0 to cc-31 for the MSB, and CC 32,to 63 for the LSB. This gives a total of 32, 14 bit CC’s per midi channel.
So the first controller should be cc 0, 32, the second cc1,33
I hope this is of some help.
oh I see its midi cc 14 bit not nrpn 14 bit(at the BCR setup) , its working ! now I just need to figure out proper resolution (turn value).
many thanks for your kind support.
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Was the feature request accepted ?
Was the feature request submitted and accepted ?
I can only figure out how to do 7 bit in “CV > MIDI-CC” in Rack 2 [free|pro]
The MIDI CC to CV module now has an option in the right click menu for 14 bit MIDI messages.
Hey there,
today I again setup a controller for sending 14bit values to the right endpoint, but do not had success again.
The controller is the BeatStep Pro, MIDI-CAT the receiver controlling a VCO frequency. Values from 0-127 in 7-bit are more coarse than turning that freq knob by mouse.
What I did… I mapped BSP knob 1 in MIDI-CAT and assign it to the VCO, this works fine in 7-bit CC.
If I turn on 14-bit for this in MIDI-CAT, VCO freq do not change anymore. So I close VCV and open Arturia MIDI Control Center and setup knob 1 to NRPN Mode with NRPN Option and LSB 6 and MSB 38 for CC06 MIDI-CAT receiving this knob.
A MIDI monitor receiving the 14-bit values from BSP, but VCO freq do not.
It’s awkward, I don’t know how to finally configure this,
so I need to ask 
Thanks ahead!
NRPN is not the same as 14-bit MIDI, these are two different „protocols“ within the specification.
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Hey Ben,
thank you for your respond.
Isn’t NRPN the only way (modern) midi controller expand the (regular) 0-127 range?
If I setup BSP in NRPN for the endless knob, MIDI-MON receives
cc6=[0-127] cc98=6 cc99=38 in a LSB=6 MSB=38 configuration.
MIDI-CAT forward this to the VCO, but only in 7-bit mode.
MIDI assignment after mapping mode is always cc06 for this knob, regardless BSP is in CC or NRPN mode.
But if this isn’t 7/14-bit mode in BSP(and others), what I not 100 percent know,
OR/AND LSB and MSB values not calculated, I’m going a wrong way here. 
… and it’s possible.
Would be really nice one can explain the setup he/she is using on whatever controller for transmitting 14-bit subdivisions to the corresponding modules.
Thank you so much for your very nice work on so many modules, Ben!
any of the first 32 controls can be optionally paired with a control offset 32 higher to give 14-bit control.
NRPN is an extension of that, where controller 99 - NRPN Most Significant Byte (MSB) - followed by 98 - NRPN Least Significant Byte (LSB) sent as a pair specify the parameter to be changed.
Instead of using NRPN, I use the “relative” mode of the BeatStep Pro - It has 3 different modes - I don’t remember which one I used in the VCV module by Stoermelder.
I don’t have a patch handy, but here’s one I posted earlier for the Ableton Push2, that shows the use of MIDI-STEP with PILE to control CV’s
EDIT:
Some DIY 14-bit midi controller links
Hey Jens Peter,
thanks for your respond and work too.
I do setup BSP in the past and right now again to compare the “relative” mode, but this is not interpreted as 14-bit in MIDI-CAT, which I like to use.
In “Relative #1” mode BSP transmit only 3 changes, 63-65, this is displayed in BSP and in MIDI-MON, and the assigned VCO freq knob in 7-bit mapping do only “rotate” +/-1 around 64 and do not respond in MIDI-CAT 14-bit setup, the BSP mode #2 and #3 do similar.
So my understanding is we need the usual 128 CCs *128 times to become
that precise resolution… and we are done. 
But for this it is
good to know how to setup that mystic MSB/LSB (LSB/MSB?) thing.
… what the relative modes in BSP really do is something I not use so far, only testing it, but it’s the same behave in software like VSTs.
… and sorry to all involved peoples, right now I see again it’s a long way subject.
I began too with the BCR2000 configuring this without susceptible third party software translating MSB/LSB in a 0-16.384 range, with no luck or good results today.
Would be nice taking care to other “things”, do not like stumble
all the time with this.
cu
… and I would really like to have that 14-bit controller “thing”… currently it is essential to move the VCO freq knop with mouse to hear all the gradations… the mouse/usb/vcv “bus” is more sensitive than all endless controller in 7-bit.
… and I can’t use most of them extensive.
In “Relative mode”, the increment (+1) and decrement (-1) are “counted” by the PILE modules - they send out the CV - the resolution is more than midi 14 bit, step size can be set to 1E-6 for example and range -10 to 10. (you can even map the stepsize knop to another input, to be able to change it). But I’m not C++ skilled enough to tell you the exact resolution - (iec559?)
If you send the CV’s from multiple PILE modules to one CV-MAP, you have something like MIDI-CAT, but with much more configuration options for ranges, step-size, slew etc.
I’m searching a way controlling modules in VCV that do not have CV input for a particular knob, and I would like to see this way the position of the knob, here at easy for a VCO freq knob.
But your tip is very nice for CV, I do have to realize whats possible with that.
Thanks.
CV from incr/decr (PILE) and knob mapping using CV-MAP (VCV Library - stoermelder CV-MAP).
Oooh, will experiment now with this… sounds very interesting.
NRPN thing is still a mystery…
That works awesome, can’t belive!
Thank you for that hint and work!
… NRPN is now far away for VCV.
Hey,
fully fixed in the past to this NRPNthing, somedays bring in “relative mode”, but finally stay there.
This module(s), and way beyond that, so useful…
It’s not only much more expensive do that all in hardware, but even software modules somehow like this are so good at least to combine.
Really like, stoerte’…(thank you, Ben:) … this will occupy some time 
(currently its hard to realize a long time static module setup with differently precisions so a VCO freq could comfortably be route to endless controller)
But now this will possible, only the way isn’t present right now…
EDIT: Would like some, 2 or 4(?) presets for STEP in PILE one can decide easily to change precision… but this does not belong in this topic.